Posts by Doubting Bro

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Is the GB setting up to dump 1914?

by karter in

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with the "generation change" and them changing it all the time it would make sence to dump it all togeather.. lets face it ,it can be disproved easly.. they dumped 1975 in a heart beat .. this would buy them all the time they wanted as they would just find another date to start the generation from ie: "the u.n year of peace and sercurty'',1986 i belive or whatever else they could think of.. they could sell it to the r&f as easly as they sold 1975,then dumped it when it did'nt happen .. anyone questioning them would be told they are running ahead of jehovah or lacking faith in his earthly org that feeds us food at the proper time .. what do you think?.

karter..

Doubting Bro

Prior to the latest generation teaching, I was inclined to think they were looking at putting 1914 on the backburner. Maybe Adventist style where they believe the last days started in 1844 (or whatever) but again the problem is the appointment in 1919. They can't drop that because they will lose the designation of "God's Organization".

But now that they've changed to the crazy Jesus meant two very long, overlapping generations by saying "this generation" I think they are fully intent on keeping the 1914 date.

They will eventually need to drop it or make it mean something a little different but may opinion is that we're at least 20 years away from that. A new "generation" of GB members will be left to make those changes.

I think it's actually pretty funny watching the twists and turns of "logic" to attempt to patch up the crazy prophesy legacy of Freddie.

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Try again...DC 2010 Discourse 48

by JWFreak in

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http://www.mediafire.com/file/ghnjmmoymjw/dctalk48.pdf.

just uploaded page 2...not 1 or 3 as they are of no interest.. this talk is only given by gb members or branch committee members.

enjoy.

Doubting Bro

Sir82 hits the nail on the head. This is an issue the WTS has been struggling with since the 1995 generation teaching really took the steam out of the movement. The realization that the end may not come in the person's lifetime had a subtle but noticable effect.

So, the issue for the WTS is that they will need to either: 1) accept the lower level of zeal and be happy with just coasting along, slowing losing more and more influence or 2) try to find some way to reignite the fuse. They're obviously trying #2 and think that this rejuggling of the generation teaching will generate enough speculation to capture some of that pre-75 fire.

But, the old timers who remember 75 aren't going "all in" again. The 40ish folks (unfortunately I'm now included in that group) that grew up "in the truth" and are still around have long since realized that the end can't be predicted and are more concerned with raising families and saving for retirement than willing to go "all in". The younger folks in the internet generation (which of course overlapps with the horse and buggy generation according to the WTS's new definition) are not sticking around either.

If the WTS were smart, they would tweak the business model to become more of a mainstream type religion ala LDS. If they dropped shunning, made blood a conscious matter and encouraged community service instead of FS (still keeping missionaries and local pioneers), I'm convinced that they would make more money. They could keep the entire doctrinal structure including the whole 1914 mess and likely stem the losses and retain more members in developed countries which means more donations.

I wonder how long its going to take them to come to this conclusion?

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Try again...DC 2010 Discourse 48

by JWFreak in

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http://www.mediafire.com/file/ghnjmmoymjw/dctalk48.pdf.

just uploaded page 2...not 1 or 3 as they are of no interest.. this talk is only given by gb members or branch committee members.

enjoy.

Doubting Bro

I hate to be a bother but I can't access any of these links because my company blocks all file sharing sites. Is there any chance someone who has downloaded the outline could e-mail it to me? Send me a PM and I'll send over my e-mail address.

Thanks

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How Do People Like Sir 82 & Others Who Are Active JWs Do It ???

by minimus in

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i appreciate any who tell us what the latest co's talk is about or what was said at the meetings.

i just don't know how you can do it.

knowing that the "truth" is false and even laughable, it boggles my mind that you can still go, listen to the spiritual bullshit and maintain.. how do you do it?.

Doubting Bro

I ask myself the same question nearly everytime I'm at the KH. I don't have a problem with the people and our conversations are often everything BUT "spiritual" things. I've been able to tune out things during the meetings but sometimes it gets so aggreviating that I have to go to the back and walk around. I never comment and while I do show up for FS from time to time, we have driving territory and as the driving I often arrange it so I only get out a few times, take plenty of breaks and suggest RVs. When I speak at the door, the presentation is about 3rd grade quality.

I am fully aware of the hypocrisy and loath myself for it. But the fear of losing my family keeps me going. I'm actually becoming numb to the whole situation. It's very depressing and I often wonder when I will break. I know its going to happen at some point, just not sure when.

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DC 2010 Releases and info

by JWFreak in

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sorry i have been very busy and forgot.

as promised.

friday afternoon.

Doubting Bro

Thanks JWF!!! I would love to see that outline. They are really pounding this new generation "understanding". CO mentions it in his talk, WT study article and now DC talk. I would think this would be one of those things they would just gloss over and act like its always been this way. The more they talk it up, the more people should notice how insane it is.

I remember the recent CO visit mentioned Franz and how current GB members who were annointed while Franz was alive comprised the "overlapping" generation. They want to create a sense of urgency but know they can't name a date. Hinting however strongly at 2034 isn't an option at this point because its too far away. 2014 is too close and gives them no wiggle room.

Hey Bethel monitor, you guys have to get more creative. Even you must realize the GB is grasping at straws!!

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To help my cousin..maybe if you used to be an elder..

by hereiam! in

i have a cousin who has been away from the meetings 5 years.

she was baptized only a year before becoming "inactive" and moved to another state.

then after some time she moved back to the area all the family is from, but wouldn't say a word of anything having to do with the religion.

Doubting Bro

As was brought out, the marrying a non-JW (I can't bear to type "outside the truth") is not a judicial matter. The fact that the letter was from 2 elders and not 3 means this is an investigative committee not a judicial one. It sounds like Mom is pushing and now the BOE feels like they at least need to attempt to determine if some JW rule has been violated. Unless they have 2 witnesses to some alleged wrongdoing, they can't move forward. Of course, if she "bites" and confesses to something, then they could go after her judicially if they so choose. The rules say they don't HAVE to but they can. BTW - if they already had 2 witnesses, they likely would have just invited her to a JC. It sounds like they don't have enough to proceed.

I have a feeling that the BOE would like nothing better than to have this person just ignore them so they can say they tried. They don't even know her? I can tell you that those elders likely don't want to met with her anymore than she wants to met with them. She should tell them she knows where the KH is and how to find them if she ever decides to become active again. Then, she should enjoy her life with her new husband!

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JWs in Ghana disown 5-year-old son for receiving blood transfusion

by brizzzy in

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http://www.citifmonline.com/site/news/news/view/5368/1.

so sad.

how can you even hold a 5-year-old accountable for anything, anyways?.

Doubting Bro

insane and sad

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Interesting article on tax exemptions for churches

by poopsiecakes in

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a taxing time for churches and social groups by pete mcmartin, vancouver sunapril 14, 2010 should churches and religious organizations continue to receive automatic tax exemptions?.

should community groups?

a couple of years ago, the little town of gibsons began to ask those questions in earnest.

Doubting Bro

Good for Gibsons. I could never understand why religious organizations were provided tax exemption. Paying taxes no more interfers with freedom of religion than my paying taxes interfers with my freedom of speech. Especially property taxes which are designed to provide local police, fire, roads and other services.

If this catches on, I'm certain that the WTS will institute some sort of minimial community service program and allow folks to count that as service time. If they gave away their cash cow (selling literature) to avoid paying taxes, how much easier would it be to tell the r&F to volunteer at the local food bank or do a community clean up day? I'm actually suprised they haven't already instituted a plan like this. The activity could still be supervised by the elders, start at the KH with a review of the text and prayer, and cost the WTS nothing. Its a no-brainer.

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If still "in", how do you feel when praying in front of a group despite being in doubt of your beliefs?

by Crisis of Conscience in

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it happened to me this weekend.

i'm curently "active" and had some long time friends from a different congregation over for dinner.. we went through the formality of praying before the meal.

normally or rather lately i've been passing it off to someone else.

Doubting Bro

For me, I keep it simple and staightforward for any public praying. If praying at the KH, instead of thanking God for the meeting and spiritual food provided by the FDS, I say thanks for a chance to review your Word. I remember I was asked to open the meeting the first meeting after the Haiti earthquake. So instead of praying for just the JWs that were affected by the quake, I prayed for ALL the victims and survivors. No one ever said anything to me about it.

I do agree that I get much more concerned about what I say in a prayer now. While I'm not 100% sure there's a God that is interested in us, I'm certainly not going to pray for things that I am 100% certain are NOT true such as the WTS being God's organization.

Honestly, I'm not sure many people are listening to a public prayer unless there's something stressful going on.

Dinner at my house with other JWs? A quick thanks for the food, thanks for the fellowship and we're done. My pet peeve was always those 10 minute prayers at a "gathering" when the food is getting cold.

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THE WITCHTOWER 04/2010: "Is Eating for Christians?", "The Watchtower and April 1st" etc.

by processor in

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the new issue of the witchtower is available for download now.. .

is eating for christians?

if yes, which food is suitable?

Doubting Bro

Wow, that's funny and unsettling at the same time!! Your use of quoting snippets of scriptures to fit the insane conclusions is dead on parody. Well done!!

PS - Its unsettling to me because I know that's exactly how the WTS comes up with its conclusions and I still can't believe I was stupid enough to fall for it!!